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Remington Model 812 .410 Shotgun Review


Mossberg 500E .410 silencer/ammunition review

 

Submitted by Al Pounder. One of our UK 410 shotgunners.

 

Silenced .410 Mossberg

Some might believe that the average citizen can’t own a gun inEngland, let alone a silencer, but my handy little suppressed .410 is proof to the contrary!

I shouldn’t need to explain the many great attributes of the diminutive .410 to experienced shotgunners, so I won’t. Coupled with an effective silencer, this is a tool that any serious hunter, pest controller or even home defence proponent should have in their arsenal (I’ll explain that last one later).

I began dreaming of having a shotgun so quiet that I could shoot without alerting neighbours (who are never far away in the densely populatedUnited Kingdom) and creating an effective gun that could even be safely fired indoors without hearing-protection if the need arose. Well here it is…

Total length is 52” with the 9” silencer fitted to a 26” barrel. Silencer could be fitted to a shorter non-ribbed or de-ribbed barrel extending at least 2.5” forward of the magazine tube.

The project gun is a non-ribbed barrel full-choke Mossberg 500E .410 from 1985, which makes this shotgun older than me and still more reliable. I fitted a silencer which requires no modification to the gun other than removing the front bead sight and thanks to a clever collet fitting system; the unit can be quickly attached and removed:

 

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The silencer features the same blast chamber and baffles arrangement found on most modern designs. However, a shotgun greatly increases the chance of a “baffle-strike” so when firing shot loads, only modified and tighter chokes are recommended to help the shot pass through unobstructed. The use of fibre rather than plastic wads also

eliminates the possibility of the wad causing a bore obstruction and a potentially lethal detonation. It is worth noting that the .410 has one of the highest chamber pressures of any common shotgun. Plastic wads can be used if the barrel/silencer is checked after each shot. Slug rounds can also be fired through the silencer with any choke. Slug ammunition is highly restricted in theUK, so I won’t deal any further with it at this time.

 

 

So, on to ammunition – silencers work by reducing the blast effect of the propellant but they do not reduce the sharp crack of supersonic projectiles. Therefore in theory, subsonic ammunition should be used for best suppressing effect. I tested the only commercially loaded fibre wad subsonic ammunition I could find; Eley Extra Long 3” Magnum – 18g of lead at 900fps. I also tested a selection of standard supersonic ammunition:

 

  • Eley Fourlong – 2.5” 12.5g, fibre wad @ 1110fps
  • Lyalvale Express – 2.5” 14g, plastic wad @ 1350fps
  • Lyalvale Express – 3” 16g, plastic wad @  1150fps
  • WinchesterSuper-X – 3” 5 pellet 000 buckshot @ 1135fps

 

Fibre wad or subsonic ammunition may not be available or affordable where you are, so hand-loading may become a necessary but very enjoyable hobby!

Results:

 With the silencer fitted, perceived noise to the shooter is greatly reduced and comfortable without hearing protection with all loads tested. Recoil is reduced to virtually zero and the suppressed muzzle report is unrecognisable as a gunshot. Subsonic ammunition was not noticeably quieter to the shooter than supersonic, but when observed from a distance by a spectator, the supersonic crack which accompanied standard loads was clearly absent. This resulted in a slightly quieter overall shot.

Plastic wads left some residue in the silencer, but checking the barrel after every shot, no dangerous obstruction was observed. Heavy subsonic loads killed small game well but required more forward leading of moving targets than the standard, faster loads. Patterns remained tight and dense out to a maximum effective range of around 30 yards with all loads. Fibre wads opened patterns by about 1” compared to plastic.

The Winchester Super-X buckshot produced a 5 shot average pattern of 2.5” at 30 feet! This load was also comfortable to fire indoors through the suppressor without hearing protection.

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Conclusion: With birdshot loads, this silenced .410 is incredibly quiet and lethal on small game to 30 yards. The suppressed shot does not scare away surrounding wildlife and can for instance allow a flock of birds or a group of rabbits to be repeatedly shot at without the others fleeing. Whilst this is also achievable with a suppressed .22 rimfire, hitting moving targets is infinitely easier with the .410.

The .410 is considered by many shooters to be a child’s or novice’s gun. I would argue that it is actually an expert’s gun. It requires a more accurate shooter to put the smaller, sparser shot pattern in the kill zone, but a pellet from a .410 bore typically carries as much energy as a pellet from a 12 gauge.

I will not draw many conclusions about Winchester’s buckshot load as I have not tested it on simulated or living targets. I can say though that it suppresses well enough to fire indoors without hearing protection. I would also speculate that five 000 buckshot pellets fired at 1135fps, hitting in a 3” circle should cause devastating results in a defense or hunting situation. This load also shot accurately to point of aim when I account for the fact that the suppressor puts the shooter’s line of sight high and subsequently, the gun shoots slightly low.

Things to do:

  • Drill and tap the receiver to fit either ghost ring or red dot sights. A bead sight can be attached to the silencer itself or a front sight mounted on a rail clamped to the barrel.
  • Experiment with home-loaded subsonic buckshot loads.
  • Get out and shoot more!..

 

 

 


410 Bond Arms Review and Ammo Test Video

This is a review and video of the Bond Arms Snake Slayer 410 shotgun and 410 shotgun ammunition that can be used for it.


Mossberg 500 Hushpower 410 Shotgun Review

These silenced shotguns from the UK have intrigued me for awhile now. Here is a review I found on  “youtube of a Mossberg 500 410 shotgun with “Hushpower”.


Full-Auto 410

Here is a video of a fully automatic Saiga .410. Not very long, but good.


New NEF 410 Shotgun for sale

H&R Topper .410
H&R Topper .410

In Stock New England Topper Jr. for $150.00 Just click the image to see all the details.


Leinad Model DD and Leinad 11″ Double Barrel.410/.45LC

11" Stock Leinad 45/410 Double Barrel Pistol

11" Stock Leinad 45/410 Double Barrel Pistol

   

Two years ago I bought a Leinad 11″ 45/410 pistol from a gentleman in Texas. The weapon was made in Ducktown Tennessee. This is a great little .410 pistol that packs one heck of a wallop! The 410 shotgun shells make this baby roar, and, for what it’s worth, are not as much fun as shooting the .45 Colt. The .45 Colt rounds were a dream to shoot and I found that accuracy was nominal with the standard open sights. The birds-eye grips were adequate for shooting, though I had my doubts at first as they are rather small. I also found the forearm to be a bit of a finger splitter because if it’s sharp edges and so I cut mine down to 5 inches and removed the rear wings that stick back. Now it is at the local gunsmith for a custom job on the head-space, trigger and the selector/safety. The fire control knob is small and inadequate for quick reloads so my GS is going to install a ring on the left side that will allow one handed operation with the plunger type selector lever and tighten things uop a bit too. I have also installed a set of scope rings for a small scope. I will be posting pictures and video as soon as I get the pistol back from the GS so check in. Below I have posted some information about the Leinad/Cobray connection so that some of you will know where these pistols were made and why they are no longer produced. The Cobray Company  

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cobray Company was a manufacturer of sub-machine guns and semi-automatic carbines, handguns and shotguns as well as less-than-lethal 37mmlaunchers. These were manufactured by SWD.  Cobray models

  • M-10 (.45 ACP Caliber), semi and full auto
  • M-11 (.380 ACP Caliber), semi and full auto
  • M-11/9 (9mm Parabellum), semi and full auto
  • M-12 (.380 ACP), semi-auto only
  • Pocket Pal .22 Long Rifle/.380 ACP, dual-barrel, switch-cylinder, top-break revolver[1]
  • The Terminator, single-shot shotgun in 12 and 20-gauges[2][3]
  • M11-A1 .380 ACP, an open bolt version of the MAC 10.
  • Streetsweeper, A clone of the Armsel Striker. It featured limited parts commonality to the original weapons system.
  • Ladies Home Companion, A reduced caliber version of the Streetsweeper in .410 gauge.

  Legal issues

A 357 Magnum pistol. After some legal troubles, the company changed its name to Leinad (Daniel spelled backwards) and produced at least four new models which were designed to conform with the ban on assault weapons that was then in effect. Leinad models

  Closure of companyThe owners of Leinad chose to shut down the company because of the changes in the gun laws and the divorce of company founders Wayne and Sylvia Daniels. The Cobray Trademark is registered to a privately owned company in the US. They continue to manufacture parts and accessories for the firearms as well.   


What are .410 Shotguns used for?

Well, they are not just for Kid’s! The .410 is good for hunting wild game, target practice and home defense. Let’s take a look at these three areas .410 shotguns excel in.
1. Hunting: The .410 is perfect for hunting small game and in the hands of a capable and experienced hunter, larger game such as deer. I use a .410 deer hunting and they are deadly under 50 yards. This year I used a “Silver Bear” 2.75″, 98gr. slug to down a buck on opening day of Rifle season – at 40 yards he dropped like a stone on the first shot. The slug having mushroomed to the size of a nickel.
2. Home Defense: Because of the .410’s lack of recoil, weight, and its ease of operation, it makes a wonderful home defense weapon; with buckshot or #4 birdshot as its best defense load. Whether #4, OO, or OOO buck, each round has ample short-range stopping power but will not typically carry through walls, floors, ceiling, etc., to harm those you are trying to protect. I have a Leinad 45/410 made by the folks at “Ducktown” in the bedroom. It is a double barrel pistol with 8″ barrels. This handles both 45 colt, 2.5″ and 3″ shotshells. I do not personally recommend the use of a wad in these loads – just a shotcup and shot or ball. The reason is that with the rifled barrels a shotshell packs a hell of alot of recoil, double that of the .45 Colt, and makes that follow up shot tricky. My favorite home defense load is:

Birdshot: 3″ BPI Skived hull packed with 12 gr. of 2400 touched off with a CCI 209 primer. With a 1/2″ fiber gas check topped with a load of #4 and finished with a typical star crimp you will have a solid 1/2 ounce of lead out to five feet with rapid spread beyond that.

Pumpkin Ball Round: Same Hull load, powder, primer, with three .395/40cal. balls and finished with a roll crimp. Remember not to over load the hull but leave the proper room for your roll crimp without scarring the ball itself. I use a small drill press set at a prescribed height to insure good roll crimps.

3. Plinking – Trap, Skeet, and target shooting are all fun. Though the .410 is considered a “Professionals” shotgun when it comes to clays – its multiple uses for recreational shooting far outstrip other small gauge shotguns. I have gone from birdshot, to buckshot, to slugs with the same gun and using various targets all in the same days shooting. My practice and research has led to a buffered buckshot round that boasts pellet on pellet accuracy at 30 yards (5 pellets 3 holes) and a double .40 pumpkin ball round that can hold quarter size groups to 50 yards (not the one described above). I have also found great fun using the BPI small-bore slug kits that utilize a .375 round-ball and a combination gas-check/buffer system similar to what Guilandi and Brenneke have. I can shoot three inch groups out to fifty yards and have kept up well with the guys shooting .22 rifles while plinking. Of course a scope/aimpoint increases the accuracy immensely as you otherwise have to depend on shotgun beads for an aiming point. MY Saiga being the exception as I used the iron sights when I shot that opening day buck.

So there it is for better or worse. My general position on the .410 as a useful firearm. If you have any comments, suggestions, stories, videos – whatever, please feel free to let me know. I would be pleased to print whatever you have. So until next time good huntin’ and shootin’.

Brent


The Safir T-14 Shotgun

ATI American Tactical Imports T-14 AR 15  .410ga

 

 

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Type: semi-automatic
Gauge: .410 (36), 65 mm (2 1/2″) chamber
Length: 960 mm (860mm for collapsible butt “S” models)
Barrel length: 510 mm (also 320 mm or 610 mm)
Weight 2.6 – 2.7 kg
Capacity: 9, 10 or 15 rounds in detachable box magazine

The T-14 was developed by the Turkish company Safir Arms. It is based on the famous Ar15/M16 assault rifle. At the present time it is offered in only one caliber, .410×65 (also known as 36 gauge, 2 /12 inch chamber). With .410 caliber bullet weighting 7.5 gram (116 grains) the manufacturer claims muzzle velocities in the range of 2,290 fps., providing muzzle energies of about 1,320 ft-lbs. The T-14 shotgun is semi-automatic only and is available in different barrel lengths to make it legal for civilian use in various countries that permit its citizens to own shotguns.

The T-14 shotgun is a gas operated weapon with a rotary bolt locking system. The gas system utilizes a annual (ring-type) short-stroke gas piston, located around the barrel. For maintenance and cleaning, the gas piston can be removed from the barrel after removing the front sight with its base. The bolt group externally resembles the AR-15 bolt, but has a redesigned bolt head with three radial lugs and an ejector, optimized for rimmed shotgun shells. The receiver is similar in design to Ar-15 rifles. It is made from aircraft-grade aluminum alloy and consists of two parts (upper and lower), connected by two cross-pins. The trigger unit and manual safety also resemble some units of the Ar-15 rifle. T-14 shotguns are produced either with integral, M16A2-type carrying handle and rear sight block, or with M16A3-type flat-top receiver with Picatinny rail. The furniture is made of plastic, and buttstocks are available either in fixed or telescoped (M4-type) varieties. Detachable box magazines are specially designed for rimmed shotgun ammunition.

 Watch the Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZLlYOpqQ4

 


The Browning Cynergy Smallbore 28ga and 20ga

click to go to the US Concealed Carry Assoc. website